In a quite shocking escalation of the rhetoric in Spain, a spokesman for the ruling People's Party just issued a (barely) veiled death threat to the President of Catalonia.
"Let's hope that nothing is declared tomorrow because perhaps the person who makes the decalartion will end up like the person who made the declaration 83 years ago."
1. PP spokesman says Puigdemont might end up like Lluis Companys (in 1934) if he declares independence tomorrow…pic.twitter.com/II2HGUtUdH
— The Spain Report (@thespainreport) October 9, 2017
3. Some people in Spain (here a senior Podemos figure) are interpreting it, though, as Casado suggesting Puigdemont would be shot. https://t.co/yviau4XLcy
— The Spain Report (@thespainreport) October 9, 2017
5. Problem is Casado's use of "acabar como" = "ends up like". Lots of people reacting with "well [Companys] ended up executed".
— The Spain Report (@thespainreport) October 9, 2017
For those whose Spanish history is a little shaky, here's a reminder:
Lluís Companys i Jover (21 June 1882 – 15 October 1940) was the President of Catalonia (Spain), from 1934 and during the Spanish Civil War.
He was a lawyer and leader of the Republican Left of Catalonia (ERC) political party. Exiled after the war, he was captured and handed over by the Nazi secret police, the Gestapo, to the Spanish State of Francisco Franco, who had him executed by firing squad in 1940.
Companys is the only incumbent democratically elected president in European history to have been executed.
Seems about as clear as it gets from Rajoy's PP to Puigdemont - Call for Independence and Die!
That does not seem to be the reconciliatory tone the market has been hoping for.
And as TheSpainReport.com reports, Catalan separatists and others in Spain immediately reacted with fury to Mr. Casado's ambiguous comments.
Republican Catalan Left (Esquerra, ERC) MP Joan Tardà tweeted: "Yes, Pablo Casado, we know how our President Companys ended up, shot by the army. Does it make you happy to remind our defenceless people of it?".
Podemos leader Pablo Iglesias tweeted: "Casado says Puigdemont might end up like Companys, who was tortured and shot. Either he is ignorant or irresponsibly provocative".
Iñigo Errejón (Podemos) called on Mr. Casado to "rectify immediately or resign. They are arsonists".
Now there's democracy working for you! Geez you'd think Rajoy would have a brain but he's clearly clueless.
You ask if a guy who looks like a Zombie has a brain?
Kangaroo Court...Int'l Court Of Jusice...another corrupt 'democratic' institution...
Boycott Castilian España!
Everybody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
uncloaking now
Because Spain already has the best "Democracy®" money can buy.
CATALUNYA MUST HAND OUT FULLY AUTOMATIC RIFLES AND LOADS OF AMMO TO ALL OF ITS CITIZENS!!! NOW!!!
Zerohedgian Spaniard here. He means arrested. Nobody here interpreted that as a death threat.
Remember the real back story: the European Union wants to divide and conquer. The only independence worth fighting for would be independence from the EU and Spain. Otherwise, Catalonia goes from being a small fish in a slightly bigger shark tank.
The bigger political philosophy point is this, and no one likes to admit it: federalism is a timebomb.
The happiest states are unitary states: Singapore, Mongolia, Bhutan, South Korea, Iceland.
Federations are like marriages with prenups. They are hardwired to fail.
United States: having to obey federal, state and local law is an onerous task, leading to massive overcriminalisation and a monstrous growth in government.
United Kingdom: since Scottish, Welsh and NI devolution, England has been subsidising the other nations, and a lot of bitterness has ensued. Ultimately, it's a disaster waiting to happen without serious defederalisation.
Canada: BC and Ontario are leading the liberal charge and making like shitty for more conservative rural Canadians.
European Union: the most monstrous bureaucracy ever created is working to ensure that you are officiated into the ground if you try to do anything private or entrepreneurial.
The solution is unitary states, although no one will admit it.
The UK is not a federal state.
Probably he means a national(ist) homogenus unitary state.
Not a bad idea...
What about this: the Catalan government is announcing a BANK RUN just after they declare the independence. You can't make this shit up.
http://www.lasexta.com/noticias/nacional/la-diputada-de-la-cup-eulalia-r...
Killjoy....
Seriously guys, you are getting all of this shit wrong.
Rajoy is just a lazy bastard. He is waiting for the other side to commit a crime to justify an arrest. He will pardom them in a few months in an attemp to contempt the separatists and continue with the status quo.
I have read a few stories that Soros is behind this. Do you think that's true?
If it is, it seems logical that Madrid would be really harping on that and as far as I know they are not.
Soros was behind the alterante demonstration with the white flag (really) for the "let's talk" approach between the two known positions. If that position is the true Soros position, then he wants Catalonia to continue in Spain but with more independence.
I am a true zerohedgian and I am not really getting why you guys are in the side of the Antifa people. Catalonia is the land of the extreme-left here, demanding more rapefugees and more social free shit.
I'll just speak for myself that the act of breaking away from big central govt is appealing but I have really know idea what the particular issues in this situation are.
That could be why it's popular but I really don't know for sure.
ZH is now extreme left
Hmm sounds like California, I say let them both go and create their own Venezuela
This won't get exciting until Germany provides military support.
Imagine the security that guy will need for the rest of his life. I wonder if the left wants to start A fight because if the people keep talking they are going to delegitimize the ideas that control people further.
Ahh... the hypocrazy of democrazy.
Wow, these guys are admitting they are Francoists.
Who's ready for another Starving Time?
The Spanish havent demonstrated an ability to fight in centuries, but I do view them as a coalmine-canary in terms of sectarian conflict leading to . . . scalpings. When this reaches our shores, there WILL be blood.
LMAO, well, at least our fighting skills were enough to kick out the Reds... does not say too much about them.
Ines Arrimadas, leader of the anti-independence Catalan opposition, tweeted that demonstrators should refrain from waving fascists flags “in front of the press.”
Unionists and their supporters took to the streets of Barcelona to protest any moves toward independence as a result of Catalonia's referendum vote, with a number of demonstrators raising their right arms in fascists salutes, according to the Daily Mail.
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Catalonia-Anti-Independence-Prote...
The only problem is... that was a fake twit account. Check the name spelling, little boy.
If that were true you'd be posting the tweet, the real thing, not an article for a shitty local tv station.
Ah, your only chance is staging fake victimistic performances, but that's useless.
Pigdemont will end like Companys as long as he repeats Company's crimes. Period.
LOL!
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Catalonia is exactly why the imbecile left should not be allowed to disarm anyone.
To many threats of purges here too.
Just thought of a good comeback for the Catalans.
"Perhaps Rajoy should be careful he does not end up like Mussolini."
It's too bad Franco didn't get brutally murdered at some point. Would have made for a better direct comparison (and also save a bunch of people from poverty and starvation).
Catalona must pay a lot of money in taxes. Its very simple. Communities and societies will band together and merge in support of each other as long as it is beneficial to everyone. Historically it was about personal safety and common protection. Since those risks are no longer evident or around, what's left to bind us together has to be mutually beneficial. If its not, and the imbalance of benefits becomes apparent and egregious enough, somebody is going to want out.
But we have . . . DIVERSITY!
Grow up. kid.
Territories do not pay taxes. People and corporations do.
The same taxes all around Spain. You pay depending on income, not on where you live.
Regional govs. have some taxes on its domain. Catalonia has punished their ownpeople qith the highest in SPain, but that's ther own elites sucking, not spain.
Lot of national companies selling in Spain had HQs in Barcelona, and render taxes there. But those taxes were collected in all Spain, obviously.
That's why they think they are so important. But most of those big companies has moved HQ to other parts this week, scared of Pigdemont and his crazy zombies, so that missunderstanding is solved now. LOL.
Easily solved by Catalunya requiring the taxes collected in its territory to be paid to its government. Ok, obviously less than before, but not a big deal really.
Sure.
Taxes are collected wherever the business is made. The issue here is WHERE ARE THOSE TAXES TOTALIZED: Whereever the company has their HQ.
It was in Barcelona for many of them, and that was one of their more used fallacies: pretending all that taxes came from catalan payers. No, it was not.
That misunderstanding is now solved.
tbh you need a helicopter ride.
You dont think like a .govster, do you? When the Catalans recreate their soveregn state, all other developed nations will buy real estate to set up embassies. They will need hotel room for their .gov guests, fine wine and food, prostitutes, and mountains of cocaine. Taking back their sovereignty will results in a YUUUGE economic boom as the political influencers rush in with their suitcases of cash in an effort to be the first to creampie the virgin . . . in the ass.
The question is what is and ideal size for societies and communities. Maybe there is a resurgence for strong cultural values. It appears those in Barcelona do not have the same cultural values as those in Catalan. Catalan has been forced into submission over the years and no longer want to share with those who are not part of their tribe.
Decentralization of government is the key.
Spain is one of the most de-centralized countries in the world.
Catalonia is more politically and economically autonomous than most of federal regions.
That was the underlying primary motivation behind the American Civil War. Southerners paid high tariffs for imported manufactured goods. This benefited Northern manufactuers and the federal central government which ran on these tariffs. When he heard of the South's intent to secede, Lincoln asked "But who will pay for the government?"
Despite the mythology- Lincoln was actually a wealthy railroad lawyer. He even had his own private rail car.
One prerequisite to being a part of the establishment is to be intellectually inferior. Anyone with intelligence stays the f*** out, seeing where this is all headed...
Rajoy looks like an idiot.
He is. But that's not the problem.
Pablo Casado has no intention of carrying out this threat. He's just hoping the local anarchists will get to work it...
"ruling People's Party just issued a (barely) veiled death threat to the President of Catalonia"
Death threat ???? Zerotruth should be the name of this site. Fucking outrageous.
83 years ago he meant Companys was imprisoned by the republic. So there you go, false news again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjhdYLb7t3Y
Zerotruth
come on show me those red votes
Arrested by the Gestapo in France in August 1940, turned over to and imprisoned by the Franco junta, tortured, tried in one hour, and shot in October. And the MAN refused a blindfold. Yup, that's some fake news right there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llu%C3%ADs_Companys#Exile_and_execution
Edit: Oh, and here's the Red you asked for.
2017 - 83 = 1934. Bingo!
What happened to Companys in 1934 following his declaration of independence?
Zerotruth
So you're good at maff? How about refuting the fact he was executed? That's how fake news works. Assert something and leave out a really important part.
As stupid as the Rajoy government has been, killing the Catalan president would be the next logical step.
What if Corker said to President Trump "Watch it, you might end up like Jack Kennedy"? Would he have meant Kennedy would marry beautiful Jacqueline Kennedy and have two children?