>>32699
Had some chat with would be programmers not long ago so I gained a little insight on programming education hereabout. I think those fags on magyarchan know way more since it seems half of them has related degree, my insight is literely little.
On one hand there's the codemonkey training who participate in some course and get a certificate that they are professional codemonkeys of X language. They can get a job right away (with Java even a very handsomely paying one - well compared to Hungarian wages). They learning it in a practical way (as far as I can tell), however any retard can enroll.
On the other are the ones getting a related degree at some uni. Lots of enrolling some directly from secondary school, others are already codemonkeys. The teaching has a more theoretical approach, solving mathematical stuff via programs, or stuff which has no practical value at all. On the side ofc they have many other classes which could prove an obstacle any one of them, but usually math is what a problem for codemonkeys, and programming is a problem for those who come straight from HS - at least this was my impression.
While I see several problems with the human material, the programmers of the future (never assembled a pc, how to torrent and run - copying a crack from one folder to another - a pirated game is the greatest challenge they met before, and they never heard of privacy they hanging on facebook all day erryday), it was surprising for me that they learn everything in Hungarian both on courses and uni. They even name variables, functions, classes, whatever in Hungarian. I'm not sure how competitive makes them on the job market. And for a degree one needs a language exam under his/her belt, but that doesn't mean these can actually use that language.
Well, this not much has to do with your problem but I can imagine even here the companies and their hirerers don't have much fun either.