Bernd
12/21/2020 (Mon) 21:35:03
No.41723
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12/21/2020 (Mon) 21:35:03
No.41723
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>>41722
>It wasn't very clear for me which parties represent what political ideologies or streams, but religious people tend to vote AKP, MHP, and HDP, while secularists CHP and the others. No?
A bit more complicated than that.
Most AKP voters nowadays drink, seem like moralist but vote due to personality cult and grateful to erdoğan because before erdoğan they were pure fucks, now they are islamic bourgeuise. At BEST %20 of of this country is real deal islamist and they mainly vote for erdo, rest of the voters vote for the reasons I stated above.
MHP also conservative and rural but again they are not islamists only seem so due to populism and rural voterbase. These people dont have an issue with laicism.
HDP started to go for the lib left but still get votes of the ultra conservative kurds, they are the only group still practice girl circumstition though the practice marginalized. Half of the HDP voters are conservative in a way that make avarage AKP and MHP voter seem like hippies. Because.. ashirets, tribal clans still exist, they still do honor killings and stuff. Their neigbourhoods are no gone zone especially for women. But other half of the voters are hippies, lib lefts or just regular kurds.
As for CHP yes they are overwhelmingly secularists but bear in mind alevi fanatics exist, they still tend to not marry even when they stop believing alevism. How do I know? I got alevi gf and met with her relatives, their taboos are extremely hard to get rid of due to centuries of ottoman pressure. By no means they are fundies but I just wanted to make a reminder.
>Also while the state is secular
Afaik secular means something wordly. We are laicist, we seek to regulate the religion so schizo religious orders don't pop up like mushrooms after a rainfall. Believe me we need it. With laicism we try to secularize our people even today.
>he Kurdish minority is also large enough for parties seeking legislative role to want their support. AKP managed to get that last time, but it seems CHP is also gaining grounds.
Yeah correct.
>It wasn't very clear for me which parties represent what political ideologies or streams, but religious people tend to vote AKP, MHP, and HDP, while secularists CHP and the others. No?
A bit more complicated than that.
Most AKP voters nowadays drink, seem like moralist but vote due to personality cult and grateful to erdoğan because before erdoğan they were pure fucks, now they are islamic bourgeuise. At BEST %20 of of this country is real deal islamist and they mainly vote for erdo, rest of the voters vote for the reasons I stated above.
MHP also conservative and rural but again they are not islamists only seem so due to populism and rural voterbase. These people dont have an issue with laicism.
HDP started to go for the lib left but still get votes of the ultra conservative kurds, they are the only group still practice girl circumstition though the practice marginalized. Half of the HDP voters are conservative in a way that make avarage AKP and MHP voter seem like hippies. Because.. ashirets, tribal clans still exist, they still do honor killings and stuff. Their neigbourhoods are no gone zone especially for women. But other half of the voters are hippies, lib lefts or just regular kurds.
As for CHP yes they are overwhelmingly secularists but bear in mind alevi fanatics exist, they still tend to not marry even when they stop believing alevism. How do I know? I got alevi gf and met with her relatives, their taboos are extremely hard to get rid of due to centuries of ottoman pressure. By no means they are fundies but I just wanted to make a reminder.
>Also while the state is secular
Afaik secular means something wordly. We are laicist, we seek to regulate the religion so schizo religious orders don't pop up like mushrooms after a rainfall. Believe me we need it. With laicism we try to secularize our people even today.
>he Kurdish minority is also large enough for parties seeking legislative role to want their support. AKP managed to get that last time, but it seems CHP is also gaining grounds.
Yeah correct.
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