Bernd
01/25/2023 (Wed) 02:06
No.49682
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01/25/2023 (Wed) 02:06
No.49682
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>>49679
The cause of this war was the Russian fear that a strong Nato force in Ukraine could easily take Moscow or cut Russia off from the Caucuses and black sea due to the relatively close distances and open and flat terrain.
Russia is still going to want to secure her borders, I think originally they probably wanted to annex the Russian speaking regions and install a puppet government which would de facto move their borders to western Ukraine and they might have even invaded Moldova to further secure them. There are mountain ranges all over this area and it gives a large buffer. It also enables Russia to launch an invasion of their own much easier which is what the west is afraid of.
I don't know if this is still their plan, they might annex everything east of the Dnieper and accept that river as a natural barrier as well as accepting the extra breathing room that territory gives them.
Though, I still think they probably do want Odessa and will try to acquire it in this war, as it connects Russia to Moldova and the Russian backed separatists in the region. It also better enables them to project power into the Balkans which has always been an area of Russian interest.
I don't like the modified terms for win and loss because it is arguable and can lead to statements saying that Britain lost WW2 and things like that. In my view the is that wins is the side that dictates terms on the other.
But, I do think this could be good for Ukraine, provided that they can prevent Russian from installing a puppet government. The west is pretty much obliged to rebuild them and accept them into the EU and Nato at this point, this also removes the Pro-Russian population and any pro-Russian sentiment in the Ukrainian population, making integration into the west even easier.
But, I think their could be a very awkward stage at the end of the war if the Russians do push all the way for a total victory. In that case there will be a mobilised Russian army of 300,000 or more sitting on the border with the EU which will scare poo out of the west for a bit.
The cause of this war was the Russian fear that a strong Nato force in Ukraine could easily take Moscow or cut Russia off from the Caucuses and black sea due to the relatively close distances and open and flat terrain.
Russia is still going to want to secure her borders, I think originally they probably wanted to annex the Russian speaking regions and install a puppet government which would de facto move their borders to western Ukraine and they might have even invaded Moldova to further secure them. There are mountain ranges all over this area and it gives a large buffer. It also enables Russia to launch an invasion of their own much easier which is what the west is afraid of.
I don't know if this is still their plan, they might annex everything east of the Dnieper and accept that river as a natural barrier as well as accepting the extra breathing room that territory gives them.
Though, I still think they probably do want Odessa and will try to acquire it in this war, as it connects Russia to Moldova and the Russian backed separatists in the region. It also better enables them to project power into the Balkans which has always been an area of Russian interest.
I don't like the modified terms for win and loss because it is arguable and can lead to statements saying that Britain lost WW2 and things like that. In my view the is that wins is the side that dictates terms on the other.
But, I do think this could be good for Ukraine, provided that they can prevent Russian from installing a puppet government. The west is pretty much obliged to rebuild them and accept them into the EU and Nato at this point, this also removes the Pro-Russian population and any pro-Russian sentiment in the Ukrainian population, making integration into the west even easier.
But, I think their could be a very awkward stage at the end of the war if the Russians do push all the way for a total victory. In that case there will be a mobilised Russian army of 300,000 or more sitting on the border with the EU which will scare poo out of the west for a bit.