Bernd 01/25/2023 (Wed) 13:41 No.49690 del
I agree. But I think demilitarising Ukraine requires a puppet government anyway. Any other government would never allow it as it would mean Russia could re invade or support separatists uprisings at anytime.
Yes, they could try to get western security guarantees in return, but that still is not enough. The west may not intervene if Russia invades Ukraine again in ten years and it's over in a day because they have no army, they may physically not have the time to.

It's possible that this could settle down into a post 2014 Donbass situation as well, hopefully that does not happen though. I don't think anybody wants that, though we don't always get what we want.

Yes there is that too.
While the Skandis might be joining Nato for a long time they have almost been de facto Nato anyway. I am not sure if they will allow Nukes on there soil either, I think they said they would not but we will see.