Bernd
02/05/2024 (Mon) 19:50
No.51617
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02/05/2024 (Mon) 19:50
No.51617
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>>51608
You don't launch a nuke in proxy conflicts, Russia didn't do that for example. Nukes are used only if it's war of survival since others also have it, we're not talking about that.
>>51612
Homogenization doesn't happen in a way you think Europeans are very exclusivist, especially Western Europeans which goes under the rader because of championing memorized politically correct sayings and behaviour, that hardly anybody genuiely believes behind closed doors, almost like communist country where nobody believes in the official bullshit, this is closest you get in a free country. The only reason Eastern Europeans accepted to a degree is because perception of danger by other migrants and desperation. Sheer influence of US also changes the dynamics between immigrants and natives. Even the educated guys I know from here, Bulgaria and ex-YU countries can't assimilate as Germans want you to deny your own background(literally Turkey under military dictatorship in 80's) and only to bring it up whenever you rub them in the wrong way, I mean we did that shit out of security paranoia and dictatorship, Germans do it, just because of delusional worldview and hypocrisy and I don't imagine it's different elsewhere, in places it matters I mean.
Imagine not being able to assimilate even the ones they want to, which brings the question of weak identity of "EU values" which is not a set value but something used like a weapon and wore like an armor, similar to USA bringing "democracy" to others. There is a real democracy and real EU values, it doesn't change the fact how it's used though.
The power of identities are critically important which is why Israel despite overpowering Palestinians, can't seem to end the war without forcibly sending Palestinians to another country which constitutes as genocide, not to mention it would create another refugee wave, but they skip that fact.
Another example would be despite Russian corruption and overall lack of morals among elites and nihilism in young population, many far-right people saw Putin's Russia as embodiement of masculinity, traditional values but turns out it's not and never has been. The desperation was so bad they had to cling to a corrupt regime that wants to subvert their country. The truth was always there, I think we both saw it, but we must ask why the others couldn't? It's not because we're super smart it's because the EU doesn't inspire and give identity as much as you guys assume. Trolling Russians for being collectivistic mongols and Americans for being fat, not having walkable cities etc. only creates a very niche value that only some internet nerds give a damn about. The potential is there but no reason to use it, if one is content with bliss of the ignorance.
You don't launch a nuke in proxy conflicts, Russia didn't do that for example. Nukes are used only if it's war of survival since others also have it, we're not talking about that.
>>51612
Homogenization doesn't happen in a way you think Europeans are very exclusivist, especially Western Europeans which goes under the rader because of championing memorized politically correct sayings and behaviour, that hardly anybody genuiely believes behind closed doors, almost like communist country where nobody believes in the official bullshit, this is closest you get in a free country. The only reason Eastern Europeans accepted to a degree is because perception of danger by other migrants and desperation. Sheer influence of US also changes the dynamics between immigrants and natives. Even the educated guys I know from here, Bulgaria and ex-YU countries can't assimilate as Germans want you to deny your own background(literally Turkey under military dictatorship in 80's) and only to bring it up whenever you rub them in the wrong way, I mean we did that shit out of security paranoia and dictatorship, Germans do it, just because of delusional worldview and hypocrisy and I don't imagine it's different elsewhere, in places it matters I mean.
Imagine not being able to assimilate even the ones they want to, which brings the question of weak identity of "EU values" which is not a set value but something used like a weapon and wore like an armor, similar to USA bringing "democracy" to others. There is a real democracy and real EU values, it doesn't change the fact how it's used though.
The power of identities are critically important which is why Israel despite overpowering Palestinians, can't seem to end the war without forcibly sending Palestinians to another country which constitutes as genocide, not to mention it would create another refugee wave, but they skip that fact.
Another example would be despite Russian corruption and overall lack of morals among elites and nihilism in young population, many far-right people saw Putin's Russia as embodiement of masculinity, traditional values but turns out it's not and never has been. The desperation was so bad they had to cling to a corrupt regime that wants to subvert their country. The truth was always there, I think we both saw it, but we must ask why the others couldn't? It's not because we're super smart it's because the EU doesn't inspire and give identity as much as you guys assume. Trolling Russians for being collectivistic mongols and Americans for being fat, not having walkable cities etc. only creates a very niche value that only some internet nerds give a damn about. The potential is there but no reason to use it, if one is content with bliss of the ignorance.