Bernd
10/12/2024 (Sat) 10:50
No.52479
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10/12/2024 (Sat) 10:50
No.52479
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>>52478
1- That's true, also the EU is ageing and they are going to face economic challenges in the future. I don't think they have the resources to fix Ukraine, lift it to EU standards and then give them the same support that they give every other EU nation. And yes, as you say they are not going to want another Hungary or Poland in the EU.
Having said that, the EU is still going to want to make use of their labour and they are still going to want to keep them aligned with the west, so I think they will make some kind of other arrangement. Like giving them some kind of partial EU member status.
2- Sort of, that's partly how they dealt with the USSR, they swayed the weaker power(China) to support them against the the stronger power(the USSR). But the problem is that the Russians are a direct threat to Europe in a way that China was not, so by working with Russia they put themselves at odds with Europe and they also are trying to leave Europe to focus on China but if Russia gets too strong they will have to come back to Europe anyway. Although China is in a complicated situation, Russia's war in Ukraine really does not help her and nor does the escalating situation in the middle east, on top of that, US and EU trade wars against China are going to force China to rethink how it engages with the world and who it engages with. They might come out of that either doubling down on Russia as a source of energy imports and an ally against the west or turning against Russia as a rival to Chinese ambitions in Africa,Iran and North Korea and as a threat to global trade and energy security, if Russia supports Iran in attacking Saudi oil facilities and cutting off Saudi oil, China will not be happy. But that also relates to the Saudis who are also at a crossroads and are also going to have to rethink their place in the world as the US increasingly loses interest in them and the region.
1- That's true, also the EU is ageing and they are going to face economic challenges in the future. I don't think they have the resources to fix Ukraine, lift it to EU standards and then give them the same support that they give every other EU nation. And yes, as you say they are not going to want another Hungary or Poland in the EU.
Having said that, the EU is still going to want to make use of their labour and they are still going to want to keep them aligned with the west, so I think they will make some kind of other arrangement. Like giving them some kind of partial EU member status.
2- Sort of, that's partly how they dealt with the USSR, they swayed the weaker power(China) to support them against the the stronger power(the USSR). But the problem is that the Russians are a direct threat to Europe in a way that China was not, so by working with Russia they put themselves at odds with Europe and they also are trying to leave Europe to focus on China but if Russia gets too strong they will have to come back to Europe anyway. Although China is in a complicated situation, Russia's war in Ukraine really does not help her and nor does the escalating situation in the middle east, on top of that, US and EU trade wars against China are going to force China to rethink how it engages with the world and who it engages with. They might come out of that either doubling down on Russia as a source of energy imports and an ally against the west or turning against Russia as a rival to Chinese ambitions in Africa,Iran and North Korea and as a threat to global trade and energy security, if Russia supports Iran in attacking Saudi oil facilities and cutting off Saudi oil, China will not be happy. But that also relates to the Saudis who are also at a crossroads and are also going to have to rethink their place in the world as the US increasingly loses interest in them and the region.