Bernd
10/13/2024 (Sun) 02:28
No.52481
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10/13/2024 (Sun) 02:28
No.52481
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>>52480
>Which is perfect if the US wants the European countries beneath of the protective umbrella of NATO. Can't scare Europe with a weak Russia, they would even think cooperating with her could be a good idea. Can't allow that.
Europe would be less willing to work with the US if the US is also working with their enemy. Europe is also at a crossroads right now(I keep saying that but it's just the way the world is right now). The US is looking increasingly isolationist and hostile towards the outside world, even towards Europe, and there may be a US trade war with Europe. On top of that the Europeans themselves are looking like they might have a trade war with China and the Europeans have already ruined relations with Russia over the Ukraine war. So they have to rethink where they get energy and raw materials from and who they sell their finished products too.
>It does. She sells great many non-lethal non-weapons (which still can be used in the war) to both sides. And while Russia created local facilities to produce the much needed stuff she can't buy from Europe anymore, they also turned to China to buy 'em. Machines, tech, cars. Russia became quickly a great market for Chinese cars.
Chinese exports to Ukraine have tanked due to this war, they were 9.29 Billion in 2021 but only 3.3 Billion in 2022 and 2.78 Billion in 2023.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports/ukraine
But Chinese exports to Russia have grown from 67.2 Billion in 2021 to 111 Billion in 2023.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports/russia
But Russia isn't a big enough market to be able to replace Europe or the US in the event of a trade war or sanctions, so China really doesn't want to be forced to pick a side in this war.
>While this is a tangent, but why not. Iran is now a member of BRICS and perhaps Iran will be too. Trade could help to build a mutual understanding. Well it did little for India and China... but perhaps.
Maybe, Iran produces a lot of agricultural products and Saudi Arabia is a desert so they probably could do with that, it would benefit the Saudis to be on good relations with Russia to access her grain exports as well. But they have to get over their differences first.
>Which is perfect if the US wants the European countries beneath of the protective umbrella of NATO. Can't scare Europe with a weak Russia, they would even think cooperating with her could be a good idea. Can't allow that.
Europe would be less willing to work with the US if the US is also working with their enemy. Europe is also at a crossroads right now(I keep saying that but it's just the way the world is right now). The US is looking increasingly isolationist and hostile towards the outside world, even towards Europe, and there may be a US trade war with Europe. On top of that the Europeans themselves are looking like they might have a trade war with China and the Europeans have already ruined relations with Russia over the Ukraine war. So they have to rethink where they get energy and raw materials from and who they sell their finished products too.
>It does. She sells great many non-lethal non-weapons (which still can be used in the war) to both sides. And while Russia created local facilities to produce the much needed stuff she can't buy from Europe anymore, they also turned to China to buy 'em. Machines, tech, cars. Russia became quickly a great market for Chinese cars.
Chinese exports to Ukraine have tanked due to this war, they were 9.29 Billion in 2021 but only 3.3 Billion in 2022 and 2.78 Billion in 2023.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports/ukraine
But Chinese exports to Russia have grown from 67.2 Billion in 2021 to 111 Billion in 2023.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports/russia
But Russia isn't a big enough market to be able to replace Europe or the US in the event of a trade war or sanctions, so China really doesn't want to be forced to pick a side in this war.
>While this is a tangent, but why not. Iran is now a member of BRICS and perhaps Iran will be too. Trade could help to build a mutual understanding. Well it did little for India and China... but perhaps.
Maybe, Iran produces a lot of agricultural products and Saudi Arabia is a desert so they probably could do with that, it would benefit the Saudis to be on good relations with Russia to access her grain exports as well. But they have to get over their differences first.