So what I was trying to say that failed awakening can result in long term 0 awakening or in a premature death on their journey. Ofc there are signs when you are forcing awakening in a wrong way even in yourself or in others that you cannot ignore or pretend to not notice. If you are not one with the higher truth while doing it it leads to failure and faulty short circuits but still. Caution is always needed. For me "awakening" is not an "impossible pipedream" but something that I know is possible because I can see it within myself and others. It's just the realization of the method can take many forms and I need to understand many things before I get ahead of myself. Weird noticing how others find their way then completely lose it through history as I move forward. Those tales are inspiring and cautionary at once.

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How do you see awakening? What do you consider awakening or if you consider yourself awakened at all. I know putting the full meaning of awakening into words is impossible but that doesn't mean we are unable to describe it with our own words. As I move forward I realize I see the same things as others before me but I still cannot draw a line and say if I could consider myself (or others) awakened or not. It's like getting a degree where you are finished with "school" but the "real work and the real experience" comes after. I consider the "preawakening" the "tutorial level" and after those come the real lessons... But then again I think most people think the awakening are when you defeat the final boss the credits roll and you stand up from the computer. I don't know where to draw the line or if there is even a point thinking that "there is a line (if not many)" somewhere.