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Higher magic vs lower magic - discussion Sunflower 01/21/2024 (Sun) 11:07 Id: f5953f [Preview] No. 5957
It's time to bring back a Sunflower session type; the discussion. This was used as the initial stage of any group session as a form of syncing. In this thread it will serve the same purpose, syncing our understanding and forming an egregore.

I will lay out what conclusions I've drawn based on my own direct experience and the research I've done by diving into the akashic records. I came to see a certain structure, and this is based only on observation, I'm not relating this to any literary source aside from for the general labels. Give input! If you don't agree, say so, but keep it civil. The point is to reach an understanding where if we do not agree, at least we can place the different viewpoints on a map, and this will be the egregore.

Higher magic

It seems everyone practices higher magic today, it's become synonymous with the word "magic". It is representational magic, magic using words or symbolic artifacts or drawings, sigils. When Christianity and the bible tells you that this is forbidden, there is a good reason for it. I will explain why. Higher magic should only be practiced by those called undead or immortal, or by prophets, diviners and others who channel information from higher beings. When serving as a non-interfering device of a higher spirit, it is the higher spirit practicing magic, not the person him/herself.

Regular people should only practice "lower magic". This has been called "cultivation" in the Falun Gong movement, it is generally called Qi Gong in China, "energy work" in the west. It is called Yoga in India. This is the inner magic, also called inner alchemy, the transformation of the body. Unless this has been performed to a decent level, representational magic should not be practiced. It is often applied in the form where the occultist will perform cleansing rituals before spellcasting. It is still not something an average person can do right.

Higher magic is to impose your will on the world, and to sync your inner meaning, your mental representation, your language, with the world, and telling the world: This image in my mind is how you will now be formed. Who can do this right? A person whose body is filled with animalistic desires will impose those on the world, and create degeneration, hell on Earth. This is why occultists have been shunned in religion. They are practicing higher magic with a dirty body. Most people will never have a clean body, especially not during this NWO influenced system's influence, it's impossible. So anyone attempting to practice higher magic who isn't channelling a higher being, is committing horrible deeds and should really be put to death, just like they say.


Sunflower 01/21/2024 (Sun) 13:56 Id: f5953f [Preview] No.5958 del
Federation announcement

With above information publicly shared, it is considered that the relevant parties have received this information on the nature of higher magic.

Effective from today is a ban on the general use of higher magic within the Earth sphere. Correct usage is still allowed, but most of the population is not undead or perfect non-interfering channels. Those matching such criteria may still use higher magic, but the general population may not.

Spells which bypass the shield effortlessly are allowed spells. Spells which are blocked by the shield are banned. Accidentally casting banned spells out of ignorance will be overlooked for now. If you experience your spell being blocked; do not attempt a second casting. Instead you must analyse why the spell was blocked so as to not repeat the mistake.

Repeatedly casting spells which are blocked by the shield, will be considered an intentional policy violation. This will lead to federation moderation taking action to prevent further offenses. Intentionally attacking the shield with an attempt at breaking it, will receive instant response and be classified as terrorism or counter-revolutionary activity.

- end of channelling


Sunflower 01/21/2024 (Sun) 19:39 Id: 71a2bb [Preview] No.5965 del
While I am thinking through my entire system how I am seeing it I think I can summarize it in touhou.


Higher magic. Reimu. She does everything via Shinto and the Gods

Lower Magic. Marisa. She collects elemental materials that she puts into her Master Spark cooks mushrooms writes her own Grimoire and the only reason she can operate because she lives in the "Forest of Magic" which is a magical forest that generates every ingredient for her craft. Mostly mushrooms. Without the ingredients Marisa would be a normal human and even ZUN stated that this is the reason why Marisa is the "Player's self insert character"

>It is representational magic, magic using words or symbolic artifacts or drawings, sigils
While higher magic can truly be influenced via using the ceremonial arts that is still a sort of "lower magic" that forces the "hand of higher magic" to do the bidding.

>"lower magic". This has been called "cultivation"
True because you need to collect energy and burn clean the channels to reach the "higher truth" but lower magic refers to other ways too when you sacrifice things because with that sacrificed energy you can connect to entities "close" to earth dimension. For higher magic you need to transmute that energy in several ways. That is why that entire "ceremony" is needed.

>representational magic should not be practiced
That whole ritual is like dialing up a higher power and missdialing it might have dire consequences. I consider "higher magic" when you work with gods and with their energy/power but there are beings that are outside of our realm of existence that cannot be even categorized as anything. Accidentally summoning one that you are unable to handle is the dangerous thing. Theoretically it is impossible and only powerful and knowledgeable beings can do that. Theoretically... The chaotic nature of reality is not always that simple.


>place the different viewpoints on a map
Was thinking about drawing one but I need to gather my concepts and my confidence for that. As the image forms in my head my intuition is bothered how I am missing some points. This is too complicated and the way western and eastern traditions "meet" is not exactly makes things more easy to word.

>Higher magic should only be practiced by those called undead or immortal, or by prophets, diviners and others who channel information from higher beings
This is correct.
>When serving as a non-interfering device of a higher spirit, it is the higher spirit practicing magic, not the person him/herself.
While this is true there are ways you can internalize truth. That was the point of Bodhidharma. Awakened dharma of sorts. You are a higher spirit on earth but that is a long topic. And in the eastern traditions those who gained siddhis via spells or symbols or other lowly ways instead of having the truth internalized were looked down. That is not truth that is the emulation of truth which will result in desecrating truth because you will use it for your mundane ways/gains and that will "clog" the channels and cause anomalies. It's hard to save someone from hell when he creates an extremely special hell for himself that no one but the creator can access...
And yes lower magic is the mastery of elements be their inner or outer and gaining power via it. But breathing fire once you cultivate enough energy for a decade then getting an organ failure is not something useful again. That is why "proper instructions" are needed and a realization why you want these skills. Party tricks that have use only as an amusement but has no long term practical use is something every master discourages. Ceremonial magic can be used to target lower realms to but for that you need artifacts that were "blessed" via higher powers


This topic has more nuances ofc but I think this is enough for now


Sunflower 01/21/2024 (Sun) 20:08 Id: f5953f [Preview] No.5966 del
>>5965
>While this is true there are ways you can internalize truth. That was the point of Bodhidharma. Awakened dharma of sorts. You are a higher spirit on earth but that is a long topic.
This is a technicality, but it means to channel yourself. The human does not practice higher magic in this case, it is still merely a human channelling a higher spirit, even if that spirit is the owner of the body which it is channelled through.
>And in the eastern traditions those who gained siddhis via spells or symbols or other lowly ways instead of having the truth internalized were looked down. That is not truth that is the emulation of truth which will result in desecrating truth because you will use it for your mundane ways/gains and that will "clog" the channels and cause anomalies.
And that is the kind of higher magic which is now banned, imposing animal desires onto the world using representational spells.


Sunflower 01/21/2024 (Sun) 20:18 Id: 71a2bb [Preview] No.5967 del
>>5966
>imposing animal desires onto the world using representational spells.
That always backfired and made the user unable to use it long term but yeah that did not mean they were not able to do damage with it. Wonder how this ban will manifest on the grand scale

>The human does not practice higher magic in this case
I see. By "Human" you mean this "current flesh" that is barely above the animal.
>it is still merely a human channelling a higher spirit, even if that spirit is the owner of the body which it is channelled through.
I too can only use that way via my energy body and not via my flesh so yes it is a technicality for sure. The way the flesh and the spirit is intertwined and how the "Higher animal aspects" are not the same as the lower desires inhabiting us while they still share many similarities.


Sunflower 01/21/2024 (Sun) 20:24 Id: f5953f [Preview] No.5968 del
>>5967
Here, take this [disc], it is the activation protocol for the type of shield used. But it is activated globally, when you use it yourself it will be placed over your area of influence only.


Sunflower 01/22/2024 (Mon) 00:00 Id: 76fe58 [Preview] No.5989 del
>>5958
Yeah I don't find this acceptable at all. Will be fighting against this working using everything at my disposal.
>will receive instant response
Received.


Sunflower 01/22/2024 (Mon) 00:50 Id: f5953f [Preview] No.5990 del
>>5989
The shield was accepted by the Earth herself, so attacking the shield is the same as attacking the planet. This is of course not allowed, and that's why the federation issued the warning. The shield cannot be broken. It's a matter of decent behaviour to not attack the planet you live on, or perform magic which harms those around you, so don't try to do that or you will get in trouble. The federation is watching.


Sunflower 01/25/2024 (Thu) 14:08 Id: f5953f [Preview] No.6045 del
It seems the general approach here is very lenient from a federation viewpoint: any representational expression, language and visual arts, are considered higher magic by this definition, and not merely what falls under the common label of "magic and occult". This means humans are actually banned from "the general use of language and figurative representations". Most modern media do not channel higher beings or are the expressions created by someone at the bodhisattva level or above (arhat for magic which controls infernal spirits). So this means it's now banned and will be stopped after repeated offenses.

This would be the reason why Gensokyo said only 3 religions are allowed: Christian Ritual, Islam and Shinto. Those all have rituals and general behavioural practices which can be performed without the use of language itself, but rather by repeating or chanting "the sounds of language" without any attached intent. By this would mean the repeating of the text of holy books with its general original meaning preserved, or the use of mantras where applicable.
Modern society would be unable to use language from now on, unless the meaning is channelled from above (in this case unless federation approved).


Sunflower 01/25/2024 (Thu) 14:10 Id: f5953f [Preview] No.6046 del
>>6045
It would be assumed that an activity such as translating a holy book, would only be correctly performed if done by channelling a higher being.



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