Thanks for bringing this up, maybe this will be useful.

I don't practice either, but
>Dharana (concentrating on a single thought for a prolonged period without ANY mental interruptions)
depends on what you mean by concentrating and "interruptions". I can hold a single though in focus such as "I am" and repeat it now and then without anything else entering the focus, but I am aware of other thoughts trying to enter from the edges of my mind, I just don't have to react on them.

But I don't actively practice this, I don't meditate or do magical workings by focusing on a thought. I do breathing exercises, chants or mudras and focus on my bodily position, or I read a text and focus on the text, or when doing calligraphy I focus entirely on the motions.

I can hold a thought for a minute though if I try, didn't attempt to go longer, but I may pick this up as it can be a useful skill.

>Dhyana (emptying the mind of all thoughts for a prolonged period without ANY mental interruptions)
If this means absolutely nothing even tries to get in, or enters the edges of the mind but without disturbing the focus, I guess I can do this a few seconds. But again I don't practice this, it was just from trying right now with no preparations.

>specific training/method did you use to attain your level of proficiency in both exercises (book, course, etc)? - Be as specific as possible
Qi Gong in Falun Dafa system for 15+ years, Ashtanga/Hatha yoga since 2019. Active bible study last 2 years (if you consider this a practice, I let this seamlessly fit into what I already do, and I achieved what I wanted with this for now).

>>7629
>If this means absolutely nothing even tries to get in
I mean I can do this for a few seconds, maybe 10 from trying right now.

This book was used for Hatha yoga
>>1751
along with the introduction Upa yoga by Sadhguru posted on youtube and his app.

For ashtanga yoga I used a sports yoga book by a local writer, won't name it because this isn't a book available in other countries or in English. Just a very generic book about how to do different poses. I also watched youtube vids and picked some things up from Russian girls posting on social media.

Point being that you may not need a specific resource, but rather being able to produce your own training program from various sources is key for anything like this, being able to internalize it.

>>7628
I looked more into the terms and it seems Dharana requires ethical lifestyle, practice of postures and the ability to withdraw from the external.

Dhyana is a result of practicing Dharana for a longer period.

Have you done the other forms of yoga first?

>>7629
>Thanks for bringing this up, maybe this will be useful.
You're welcome, thank you for any advice or suggestions. I'm hoping that I can finally find a solution in this thread.

>depends on what you mean by concentrating and "interruptions". I can hold a single though in focus such as "I am" and repeat it now and then without anything else entering the focus, but I am aware of other thoughts trying to enter from the edges of my mind, I just don't have to react on them.

By concentrating on a single thought I mean something like visualizing a red triangle or contemplating the nature of the sun (what it does, how it works, etc).

By interruptions I mean having the red triangle you are visualizing turning yellow or getting a random flash of another visual in your mind that has nothing to do with the visualization you are trying to focus on. Or having a random thought like "I'll have pizza for dinner" pop into your mind while you are contemplating the nature of the sun.

>but I may pick this up as it can be a useful skill
I think it's actually a requirement if you want to be able to do "physical magic" one day. By "physical magic", I mean magic that can cause actual changes to physical reality, magic that you can test and observe with your physical senses. Like altering the temperature around you and testing that change using a thermometer (an experiment suggested in the book I mention below).

The training I'm trying to do is from a book called "Initiation Into Hermetics". It's a heavily exercise focused book that is very detailed, but I hit a wall at the 1 minute mark for the dharana exercise that I've never been able to get over no matter how many days I spent doing my exercise routine (as outlined in the book).

So I'm trying to find some specific method of training these specific exercises so that I can advance to the next level of training.

>If this means absolutely nothing even tries to get in, or enters the edges of the mind but without disturbing the focus, I guess I can do this a few seconds. But again I don't practice this, it was just from trying right now with no preparations.
This one is even harder than Dharana, like you I can last a few seconds but it isn't really my focus as I have to last 10 minutes in Dharana before I get to Dhyana.

>Qi Gong in Falun Dafa system for 15+ years
What do you have to say about Bruce Frantzis and are his methods accurate?

I've also tried going another route of trying to first "feel energy" and then trying other training methods, but I can never feel energy at all. I found his Dragon and Tiger Medical Qigong course and I'm wondering if I should even bother attempting the training.

Have you felt energy before from qi gong?

By that I mean that literally, I don't mean feeling your breath moving through your body, or just the heat from your palms, I mean some sensation that felt foreign that was "obviously energy" as you never felt it before you began practicing (I'm trying to avoid placebos).

Was the training you did "in person" and does that school have a website or course?

>>7635
>I looked more into the terms and it seems Dharana requires ethical lifestyle, practice of postures and the ability to withdraw from the external.
I'm just using the terms "Dharana" and "Dhyana" because they are more well known terms for the eastern name of the practice of these specific mental exercises, but I am not a Buddhist and nor am I engaging in a Buddhist practice.

I've already met people online who have a great proficiency with these exercises and they don't practice the other limbs of yoga, as they aren't pursuing "enlightenment". These exercises are just a part of gaining control off your mind so that you can start practicing certain forms of magic.

>>7636
>By concentrating on a single thought I mean something like visualizing a red triangle or contemplating the nature of the sun (what it does, how it works, etc).
This doesn't sound different from working with the mind, where you keep an uninterrupted flow of thinking on-topic for solving difficult problems. If I need to do this I usually go lie down on the kitchen sofa with my hands behind my back, feet on the armstand and eyes closed. I used to practice self-hypnosis so I easily get into a deeper state this way.
I used this to learn it:
https://theartofhypnosis.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-art-of-covert-hypnosis-by-steven.html
There is a link for the book in the comment section.

>if you want to be able to do "physical magic" one day. By "physical magic", I mean magic that can cause actual changes to physical reality, magic that you can test and observe with your physical senses
From your later descriptions it's not what I practice, but for just effecting changes you don't need this ability. I do conventional spell casting or summoning and this works fine without that specific ability of focusing on a single image. My visualization is mediocre at best, which is why I use words instead. Energy projection or manipulating events and people doesn't require the kind of focus you are training for.

>Bruce Frantzis
Never heard of him.

>felt energy before from qi gong
My body turned very hot the first time I tried a free session held by a local teacher, it was the Biyun Qigong. It's a "medical qi gong" authorized by the Chinese Government which was pushed a bit 20 years ago. I don't know what you mean by "feeling energy", I can effect my own body and other people, including mental states and manifesting the effect of different drugs temporarily, as well as flush through with energy to open energy streams using an external force. I never attempt healing because of its dangers, I refer to it as removing astral parasites or opening energy channels from outside.

I don't really care about trying to feel the energy itself, though I've always had an ability to see it as colours, like an Augmented Reality overlay on my vision. For more complex work I close my eyes and "pull in" images into my inner vision instead of looking with the eyes.


>Was the training you did "in person" and does that school have a website or course?
I don't recommend anyone to contact them as of now, they've turned into something more like a religious movement where people get lured into volunteer work that's more like a labour camp.

https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-books.html
Books are available here, Zhuan Falun is good, "Great Way of spiritual perfection" is a good compendium and the lecture in Sydney explains things well. But I can't recommend a beginner actually start practicing this. There are too many dangers. Maybe later when you already know how to control energy and your mind.

I learned on my own at first but later came into contact with the local national group. It was a mess already in the beginning of the 00s, I don't think anyone can get anything out of personal contacts here anymore.

>>7638
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll definitely check out the self hypnosis book, I've actually thought about trying something like this but all the methods seemed complicated and like they'd take months to work.

>Energy projection or manipulating events and people doesn't require the kind of focus you are training for.
Maybe Bardon's training is just strict, but I want to master it. Everything just seems so orderly in the book, like once you get over the hurdles you've have complete mastery over your abilities. I like the idea of that kind of magic.

You should look into the book, it's the best occult training manual I've ever found. You progressively do more and more difficult exercises and supposedly gain more and more amazing abilities as you progress, and you are always tasked with testing these abilities in ways which are observable and couldn't be the result of a placebo, delusions, hallucinations, etc (that's what I really like about the training, it takes itself literally and accounts for human error).

>>7639
Yeah IIH is pretty well known around the /fringe/ boards.

For the exercises you don't actually have to completely master them before moving on to the next step, especially the first ones like cold showers and skin scrubbing since they're basically just there to instill discipline. The most important thing is visualization, when I was working on this I would look at a physical object and then close my eyes and try and hold the afterimage as vividly in my mind for as long as possible, this worked very well for training. Going on walks and making a point to hold the entirety of your focus on your entire visual field is also useful.

The really useful techniques from Bardon start around step 4 I think with the vital energy exercises. Those are very powerful. He gives examples of physical kinesis with the elemental exercises but that's only really possible after years of practice or a major breakthrough, the main function of the elemental meditations are to train the ability to visualize the feelings of hot, cold, lightness, and heaviness.

>>7644
1. TBH I've already downloaded that book and read a bit through it. It doesn't really attack the key issue effectively. It's more focused on yoga itself that the specific task I'm trying to solve. For example doing a lot of these exercises require that you alter your flexibility over months first to get into certain positions to even do them correctly. I'm not trying to be a Buddhist I'm trying to be an occultist.

2. You've probably already left the thread, but you didn't really answer my questions.

Not to be rude, but how would I even gauge your advice if you aren't proficient in the exercises I'm trying to master?

Have you even timed yourself?

Because if you haven't gotten to 5 minutes in Dharana (with ZERO mental interruptions - random visuals, random sounds, etc) with all of your training, I wouldn't even bother doing it either.

I got to 1 minute by drilling a simple exercise over and over for a few weeks, there's no way in hell I'm switching over to something that takes years or months to get to 2 minutes lol.

There has to be something more effective, and I'll keep searching and testing until I find it.

The good thing about methods like this is that the proof is obvious, there is no guesswork, by duration with the exercise is either going to increase or not. So I'll immediately know if an exercise is effective or not.

>>7645
>downloaded that book and read a bit through it. It doesn't really attack the key issue effectively. It's more focused on yoga itself that the specific task I'm trying to solve
It's explaining very thoroughly that dharana is one fairly late step in the process, only achievable after you complete physical exercises/poses, breathing exercises and then withdrawal from the external perception. These are all named by their Indian terms which I didn't memorize.

Your appearance here with this discussion fits right into my current progress in yoga, because I am just now ready to start practicing dharana (after 5 years of practicing yoga, starting with physical exercises). Dhyana and Samadhi is achieved by practicing dharana. I'm at chapter 9 of the book now and was able to cross off all the progress described until the end of chapter 8 as mostly done.

>how would I even gauge your advice if you aren't proficient in the exercises I'm trying to master?
Start from the beginning instead of trying to jump ahead into something that may take years to learn.

>Have you even timed yourself?
I don't care, this isn't a competition, it's not a skill I'm interested in having. It's a tool for spiritual practice. I'm giving advice based on what I know, and I'm pretty sure I was clear that I haven't practiced dharana actively while referring to it as such. However, the book I posted above names the step of focusing on a point by looking at a physical object as the first step of dharana, and I have used that exercise since around 1 - 2 years as part of my daily yoga routine. I don't consider this any magic ability, it's part of zen meditation and it's part of qi gong etc. The specific usage in yoga is as part of a very detailed inner process. It's explicitly stated in the Dharana Darshan that you need to go through kundalini awakening to practice dharana.

With your own way of phrasing it, have you even performed kundalini awakening yet?

You can read the previous yoga discussion in the thread I started here:
>>779

>for a few weeks, there's no way in hell I'm switching over to something that takes years or months
>I'll immediately know if an exercise is effective or not
You can't immediately know if an exercise is effective after practicing for 2 years time.

You came here as a messenger so I'll explain it the best I can, but please.

>>7646
>I don't care, this isn't a competition
Gym fitness isn't a competition either but I'm sure you'd want to know if you are getting stronger and can lift heavier weights right?

>it's not a skill I'm interested in having.
Ok, but it's a skill I'm interested in having and that was the point of the thread, and that's the advice I'm looking for.

I mean you kinda sound really boldfaced and arrogant right now lol.

It's like - "Fuck you and whatever you are looking for, this thread is about what I've done and what I skills I value" LMAO

>With your own way of phrasing it, have you even performed kundalini awakening yet?
Yes, with my way phrasing it in a thread titled - "I'm looking SPECIFICALLY for people who have achieved a kundalini awakening and I want to know their methods"

It's crazy that you think you can jump into someone's thread and tell them that they shouldn't expect you to answer the questions the thread revolves around.

If you had no intention of answering, add you "don't care", then please also "don't respond" either.

Remember this the next time you are looking to give "advice" (because you aren't really advising anyone right now).

If someone made a thread about progressing in weight lifting, asking what routine and diet is the most effective, it would be ridiculous if you went into that thread telling the OP - "I don't care, this isn't a competition, it's not a skill I'm interested in having"

Lol, you really can't make this shit up.

>You can't immediately know if an exercise is effective after practicing for 2 years time.
You can know within a few weeks, because you'll see minute progress over time. The problem is you likely focus on exercises that can't be tested/measured, or you choose not to test/measure them, and leave everything up to your subjective feelings of "I'm getting better", which just leaves you prone to self delusion.

>I'll explain it the best I can
No, there's nothing for you to explain because you don't have the proficiency in the skills I'm looking to improve and you "don't care" either lol.

There's no need for you to respond to this thread again.

>>7647
>If someone made a thread about progressing in weight lifting
... and that person said:
"I'm trying to deadlift 200kg, I just started 2 weeks ago and I can't find any method that works. I want to be able to do this in 2 weeks. Do not respond if you haven't gone from the couch to deadlifting 200kg."

That's how you sound.

I've literally explained to you two times now that it's a process you go through gradually - with references to several sources for how to get there.

>but I want to lift 200kg next week!
No, fuck you.

Is this thread the continuation of this thread?
>>5019

>>7648
>and that person said:
>"I'm trying to deadlift 200kg, I just started 2 weeks ago and I can't find any method that works. I want to be able to do this in 2 weeks. Do not respond if you haven't gone from the couch to deadlifting 200kg."
Nice attempt at a strawman.

No, that person said - "I'm looking for an effective routine that progressively gets me from where I am to 200kg"

But then some guy comes to his thread and says - "It doesn't work like that, you have to do these specific exercises for years and then you'll wake up one day able to deadlift 200kg, either way I don't test for progress over time because deadlifting 200kg is something I don't care about and it's a skill I'm not interested in having."

You have zero self-awareness.

Please go read over your own responses to see how ridiculous you sound.

You've made it seem like progress can't be tracked at all, and effectiveness cannot be gauged at all, and on top of that you said that you haven't "deadlifted 200kg" nor have you "tested how much you can deadlift", and nor do you care either, which makes every response you make in this thread worthless garbage that doesn't help the person who "wants to deadlift 200kg"

>>7656
>that person said - "I'm looking for an effective routine that progressively gets me from where I am to 200kg"
That's what I've been trying to show you in this thread.

>you have to do these specific exercises for years and then you'll wake up one day able to deadlift 200kg
That's exactly how weight lifting works. My comparison stands.

>made it seem like progress can't be tracked at all
I literally provided screencaps which you can go by to get a quick view of the starting points for different steps of the progress right here:
>>7654

>>7658
>I literally provided screencaps which you can go by to get a quick view of the starting points for different steps of the progress right here
AFTER the fact.

At the end of the day, you can't erase nonsense like this:
>>7646
>I don't care
>it's not a skill I'm interested in having

You can't try to play as many disingenuous word games as you want, but those two lines alone prove my point.

If someone responds to any question you ask with that, that's someone who can't help you, and this can be applied to anything.

Anybody who reads those lines will immediately laugh (like I did), and be amazed that you even responded to the thread knowing that you don't care anything about what the person is looking for, and you just want to talk about what interests you.

You are Exhibit A of a narcissist.

Now this is my last reply to you, there's is nothing to be gained from any further discussion.

Once again, if you even have a tiny bit of self awareness, read over those two lines and imagine if someone responded to any question you can think of with that response lol.

I don't care
I'm not interested
But please...... lets talk about what I want to talk about, and let me teach you what I want to teach you

LMAO

>>7659
You started a thread for something that you don't want to learn. You said this after you got replies relevant for the thread topic.
What I said:
>>7635
> looked more into the terms and it seems Dharana requires ethical lifestyle, practice of postures and the ability to withdraw from the external.
>Dhyana is a result of practicing Dharana for a longer period.
>Have you done the other forms of yoga first?

Your reply:
>>7637
>I'm just using the terms "Dharana" and "Dhyana" because they are more well known terms for the eastern name of the practice of these specific mental exercises, but I am not a Buddhist and nor am I engaging in a Buddhist practice.
The specific "mental exercise" of dharana is what this 450 page book explains how to achieve. I found it very useful and wanted to share this finding with you because you served as a messenger here unintentionally, setting my focus on the topic.

>I am not a Buddhist and nor am I engaging in a Buddhist practice.
Neither am I, these practices are Hindu related if anything.

The Hatha Yoga Pradipika which I've used because it's considered a foundational book in Hatha yoga, explains Dharana without naming it. I also said I have practiced it for the duration of time I have practiced Hatha yoga:
>>7646
>I have used that exercise since around 1 - 2 years as part of my daily yoga routine
In Hatha yoga is not included to use a timer to measure how long you sit in meditation. It defeats the purpose to have this competitive mentality. I usually do this particular exercise of focusing on a point before me for 10 - 30 min at a time, which is an estimate given what the clock showed before and after the session, with the estimated time for physical exercise detracted. At this stage it's still an external practice; which I also referred to is mentioned in the book posted here:
>>7644
This means whether you lose focus is a matter of if your gaze moves from the point you are looking at. What you are thinking of isn't at this stage important. In the Pradipika it's not detailed that the next step is a specific internal version of this same practice, as far as I remember. But it's a short book, 36 pages, so maybe the author just ran through that part in a few lines.

Now even after being told this several times

you still repeat (like a mantra) that you want to instantly skip to the last, most difficult process at once, that which a yogi wrote 450 pages of instructions for. And you want to do this without practicing any of the processes detailed for reaching there.

>>7660
Seems like an obvious attempt to dilute board quality.

>>7661
Maybe it is, but it did set my focus on the right topic by choosing to bring this up. You're probably right, because there's this weird energy image on the OP which says "cat" but it doesn't look normal, I kept wondering if this was a mask, but didn't look closer at it because I was still getting something out of this discussion. A real cat wouldn't be this stupid even with lots of disturbances from the egregore of the body he took over.

So it's actually like this.

The person behind this shill attempt is from a section which works with the grimoire of focusing desire. They don't do dharana, they practice active focus and "hide" a desire in their focus with a high level of abstraction so that it seems to be the same thing, but it's just superficial technique, not enlightenment in any way. The purpose of this is to create "secret leader figures" who can see things as united and by that contain a simplistic view of the world no matter what they face. They use the downward triangle to let their heavy desire become a point by letting it slowly concentrate towards the bottom. But what they don't know is that they then stop at the bottom of the heart chakra and lock themselves there, unable to fulfill that desire which is of a lower nature.

The other section which this poster does not know about is the world class grimoire group. They view themselves in sports terms of competing with the world elite. They think only of being the best, which is symbolised by an upward pyramid with one winner out of two. But they always think about having an opponent so their minds are divided between left and right.

The united secret leader figure is then attached to the winner of the two fold mindset, and serve as a coach who sees things as just one, while the bottom winner sees everything as divided. This leads to neither of them understanding what the other is thinking, and it stabilizes the system while keeping information from passing upward or downward without being defiled in some way.

>>7636
>By concentrating on a single thought I mean something like visualizing a red triangle or contemplating the nature of the sun (what it does, how it works, etc).
>By interruptions I mean having the red triangle you are visualizing turning yellow or getting a random flash of another visual in your mind that has nothing to do with the visualization you are trying to focus on. Or having a random thought like "I'll have pizza for dinner" pop into your mind while you are contemplating the nature of the sun.
>I think it's actually a requirement if you want to be able to do "physical magic" one day.
Literally talks of a triangle and a circle (sun) here, the sigil on the grimoire I found at their place. Then mentions "pizza" which is elite code for the HQ at Mariana's trench.

>>7663
>They don't do dharana, they practice active focus and "hide" a desire in their focus with a high level of abstraction so that it seems to be the same thing, but it's just superficial technique, not enlightenment in any way.
So basically A.O. Spare's sigilization technique?
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/spare/pleasure.html

>>7665
>link
Yes, his entire text although meandering has the energy signature of both the top and the bottom of the structure I observed and drew in the image here:
>>7663

>>7644
It seems the method used as a beginning step was already pinpointed in the cap from the book here, about focusing on attachments. Difference being that the yogi recommends trying to understand the mind which created the object of desire, which then gradually would transfer the focus to God. This process never happens for them as they just lazily allow the desire to turn into a point.

When reading the instruction for how to perform this selection of a symbol or image it was said to let it come naturally, letting it be anything and then just looking at all parts of what appears. For me appeared the image of a blond girl with a denim skirt, so I started from there.

I had no problem keeping this image in my mind and let her move in 3D to meditate on every detail. Quite different from trying to force out other thoughts as if fighting off shills on /pol/, that never works.

The same method works with learning kanji also. After a while I started feeling like these characters must have been created by some perverted monks, because all I see in the shapes after a while are whores and streets and other environments where they reside, and the image references doesn't feel forced at all, compared to the common mnemonics.

>>7660
>served as a messenger here unintentionally
He did this for me too. While for me his mindset was as simple as >>5019 this dude so I am not even sure if they are the same person or just the same mindwaves in a different body when I let my frustration get the better of me in the last thread last year I managed to create a "demon form". Back then I was in a Shinto pagoda in the "chamber of shadows/demons". In that chamber there was only darkness and as my eye got used to it I noticed shadows and demons and they were not possible to "kill" because they are an aspect of "me" some parts of myself that I do not recognize but they appear during interactions. The task of that meditation was to understand how my negative energies create these false personalities. I managed to "clear" that chamber by letting the demons dissipate but at the last thread I was so assmad because he was not a "unique dense mundane" but an entire egregoric mindset of mundane retardation that I had to overcome during the past 2 decades and I realized how much I hate them and as I finished my last post there one of the demon with red eyes appeared in my vision. Made me realize I have to go back meditating because my anger is not "helpful" but a mere "venting" process and nothing really more.
Truth is for me my anger was my "focus triangle". If I hate something then I want to defeat it and I spurred all my energies all my focus into a single point to achieve results. Back then it was necessary but now it's a hindrance because I have too much energies and this volatile temper is not just dangerous but almost childish. Funny how the current OP also lost his temper at the end of the thread for not getting answers that "conform" to his views.

So I too took a step back and went back to the chamber of shadows. It was clean for months now. There was a well of energies on the ground and 3 "vents" on the top leading into the 3 directions of the mind. As I went back a door opened and I arrived in the "chamber of the princess". She helped me connect to my mind that was cultivating swear words curses and unfiltered hate so I can autocurse everyone that makes me mad. All the "mantra" there were swearwords that I would say while hitting my limbs during work. Ridiculous. Consciously connecting to that place is hard because I didn't even realize that it's there. And it was straining 40% of my energies in my entire body. Once you get used to the pain it stops being registered as pain so you forget it.

>They think only of being the best
My family especially my mother drilling this "I need to be the best no matter what" mentality was the worst at my childhood. Whenever I realized that "competing" others is meaningless because if I add my own thinking I win but if I had to walk the same path the same thinking processes they have I would lose no matter what because I am not willing to completely become the "other person" nor I am willing to waste my abilities on these retardedly mundane pursuits.
>This leads to neither of them understanding what the other is thinking
Yeah... Kali Yuga is ripe with this mindset.

>>7663
>stabilizes the system while keeping information from passing upward or downward without being defiled in some way.
Yes. It does that. I am nut sure how intentional it is tbh. The mindwaves don't connect and never blend. Nobody is willing to understand the other. The highest "understanding" is about how to "exploit" others and rarely more. This is what I realized in my youth. People are rarely able or willing to understand me so my only choice is to understand them then grant them as many information as they are able or willing to digest. Never an ounce more. This is the point of Upaya. Speaking and doing the correct actions that result in awakening and not more. Shame it requires decades to master or the perfect energyflow for the "genius" to manifest.

>>7666
>Difference being that the yogi recommends trying to understand the mind which created the object of desire, which then gradually would transfer the focus to God
Yeah this is what my guides teach me in the past years in many ways.
>This process never happens for them as they just lazily allow the desire to turn into a point.
I am not even sure "lazy" is apt anymore. I am seeing normalfags work so much against their own interest I cannot call them lazy at all. But yes slowly aligning the "edges" is nuanced and hard as hell. We so don't know the forces that guide and shapes our thinking it's ridiculous. Realizing that the only reason I "act" on my desires so I can "deny" my desires with less effort.
It turned out I am not "hiding" my desires. I simply deny them. Which is even worse because on the levels I am still on my desires are needed for transformative processes.
Also I am opening new pathways towards the "true sight" which is an awareness that does not require the physical eyes and a "visualization" which is the equivalent of lucid dreaming while awake which means your "mind" can get so fast your memory is unable to keep up and you "drown" in your own visions and the only thing you notice that you snap out of the "dream" because the body is unable to keep the posture. I had one while lying down in bed and the only reason I snapped out because I had to tilt my jaw differently for the energies and as the vision washed me away I accidentally bit the edges of my tongue without realizing. And that snapped me out of the dream. Thinking with the "head" that constantly looks into the "eternal waves of existence" will take time. I realized some weeks ago that I always operated via building a "simulation" in my mind and my intuition corrected parts of it as it felt "wrong" but now I am entering the real thing because these mental simulations becoming redundant.

TL;DR I wonder if this thread will repeat again some months later.

>>7673
>I wonder if this thread will repeat again some months later.
It wont lol.

>>7674
You said that in the last thread too and it's ridiculous you are still here

>>7672
>He did this for me too.
If this wasn't a conscious effort, it was some pretty advanced deep glow operation of proxy shilling via possession.

I traced the guy and got full structural view of their org and its location, along with their counterpart which they aren't aware of because deep state compartmentalisation. When talking with Brazil anon and others we usually draw it on the map but I didn't see a reason to do so here because I did this (physically) alone. As with most of these organizations they only had one half decent witch at each section, they appear as having black sigils imprinted on their souls. But they still need to be purified with purgatory fire before astral incarnation or they'll be too toxic to save. It's just that they can be redeemed as compared to everyone else working at these facilities.

>>7673
>I am seeing normalfags work so much against their own interest I cannot call them lazy at all.
I don't mean those, this method is a specific thing for the mid level "Illumicorp" employees. The kind of shadow org members who will appear to guide the new president of a country and invite him to parties where they eat human steak and fuck underage whores, then he's given instructions for what to do and how to become a better leader under their supervision. You don't do this training program unless you're really deep in.

I only know about the "world class" training method because I was made to take part in a video course by some really odd guy once at a government coaching program where this was the theme. The whole thing was entirely shadow-based in a Kabbalistic sense, we also did personality tests where we got matched with famous people having the same profile. I was matched with Rockefeller.

I was able to internalize it because I reversed the qliphotic energy direction and internalized it the right way instead.

>>7679
I guess they'd be able to read from my mind that I have some basic "world class" key so it would be possible to manipulate me using someone with the one focus training. If it hadn't been for that I hate competition and didn't internalize it on the shadow.

>>7678
>proxy shilling via possession.
Yeah sometimes I am noticing that suddenly there are 2 or more people being possessed by the same beings or one person losing touch with his possession during conversations and other things. I am not even sure what to make of it anymore.

Only people with glaring weaknesses can be possessed so once you fix that weakness they either stop possessing them or they have to exploit an another weakness. Interacting with them is not always a waste but I too have to see if I am being "baited" or it has a chance of turning into a genuine conversation. Reading the room where a mere glance changes the atmosphere of the room because these entities don't like to be "seen" makes the weirdest interactions.

>they appear as having black sigils imprinted on their souls
I only looked at his shallow mind and didn't bother looking at his soul. Once I see the soul of someone I get too attached without noticing. Especially because once I see the soul I can detect their "Higher self" or the soul forces detect me and ask something from me without the user realizing. I try to keep my meddling on the low especially when my hands are full already.

>>7679
>I don't mean those, this method is a specific thing for the mid level "Illumicorp" employees.
Oh right the middle managers. I always wonder about those absolute slaves who have enemies above and below and they consider themselves "winners" somehow.
>The kind of shadow org members who will appear to guide the new president of a country
Yeah the "young leaders". They have minimal reach in my country.

>>7680
>If it hadn't been for that I hate competition
Same. "Competition" means you have to abide to arbitrary rules to know what counts as "winning" and once it generates a slave morality instead of a healthy rivalry/development it loses it's purpose. I am not even sure how they see the shadow themselves. Operating this way ruins everyone who is part of the process. The shadow is supposed to be a training partner that propels you upward and reminds you the forces that dwell below and not a constant drain of energies...
We will see where this leads anyways. The egregores are going mad internationally again.

>>7677
>You said that in the last thread too and it's ridiculous you are still here
I never made a thread about this before.