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Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 02:36 Id: c78cfe [Preview] No. 5325 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
hi ,how we're going , okey users i need any thing that help me a glifo or a thing of occultism to obtain more money and power is possible?


Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 02:41 Id: e4f5c6 [Preview] No.5326 del
>>5325
>or a thing of occultism to obtain more money and power is possible?
Yeah we call that getting a job.


Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 13:30 Id: 3d7b55 [Preview] No.5327 del
Also, join a masonic organization.


Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 19:48 Id: 430298 [Preview] No.5330 del
>>5325
>glifo is glyph in spanish
You learn something new everyday

>>5327
Can you even be not in a masonic organization in the USA? I am sure the masons think they build the whole place and everyone owes them for it.

Even McDonalds is a masonic organization. No wonder they left Russia.


Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 23:10 Id: 3d7b55 [Preview] No.5357 del
Heh, can you not be in a masonic organization anywhere? This here for example
https://movendi.ngo/who-we-are/meet-us/international-board/
is the "anti alcohol and drugs" section of "the international order of good templars". But can you easily make out what they are from this website? Yet they seem to have branches everywhere. And this is just an insignificant organization in the greater scale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organisation_of_Good_Templars


Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 23:29 Id: 430298 [Preview] No.5360 del
>>5357
>no mention of my country
Nice
My country kicked out the crusaders once. They were supposedly just "passing through" but they started to loot every village and town on the way so the king rallied the army and they were told to btfo. Forgot which failed crusade that was.

>Good templars
How is that joke again.
>We are named the GOOD GUYS so we can only do good?

silly NGOs



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Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 00:06 Id: ad6049 [Preview] No. 5322 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Where's the void? I miss it
I was part of it, now it doesn't seem like it
feels weird, I'm somewhat better but I do miss it, I belong to it why has it left me?
Cant even remember the glyph anymore...


Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 00:36 Id: 9a4058 [Preview] No.5323 del
Is this an attempt at creating a void sigil?


Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 01:04 Id: ad6049 [Preview] No.5324 del
>>5323

I dont even know what im doing anymore


Sunflower 12/18/2023 (Mon) 19:39 Id: d584db [Preview] No.5329 del
>>5322
>I was part of it, now it doesn't seem like it
The honeymoon phase is over. Some call the next phase the "desert". When you are alone and don't know where you are anymore. It's an endless place that reshapes itself everytime and hides your footsteps so you don't even notice you go in circles.
You have to realize that even tho the honeymoon is over your relationship with your beloved is still in effect and she is not gone but in the "other room". You will have to open the door and go to there on your own or sob like a pathetic child until she either feels sorry for you or scorns you and tells you to man the fuck up... The question is if you can hear her voice while crying... your crying is deafening everyone including yourself
>>5323
It seems it is a broken compass? Looking at it my mind is trying to reconstruct it's true form and that leads me to an another realm. Calling it an "attempt" is correct.

>>5324
You are lost as always. Try and figure out your goals. The mundane ones and the spiritual ones. Make a list. Figure out what you want to accomplish in this life and in the next. Try to make attempt at personal pathworking. You need it to ground yourself within the spheres of existence. Something might appear while doing so.



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Servitors Sunflower 12/02/2023 (Sat) 12:57 Id: 02e309 [Preview] No. 5245 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Lots of talk of servitors in this sub, primarily in a spiritual context. Whilst I’d like to get into that eventually, as I understand, their creation/use is not explicitly spiritual. For now, id like to know how to develop a servitor specifically for mental applications. I’ve also seen a book referenced here, used in servitor creation. Has to do with ai. Remind me of its name, please.


Sunflower 12/02/2023 (Sat) 16:46 Id: 3b63f1 [Preview] No.5246 del
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I used tulpa.info
then this free online course at the University of Helzinki
https://course.elementsofai.com/
to get an initial grasp on the topic.

The book was the 1991 edition of pic related.


Sunflower 12/03/2023 (Sun) 17:10 Id: d130be [Preview] No.5253 del
Thanks



Magic 101 - I Can't Feel Energy Sunflower 11/20/2023 (Mon) 02:13 Id: 2620dd [Preview] No. 5019 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I came from the Magic 101 thread from the other site. How long does it take to feel energy in the first exercise, I can't feel anything, never have been able to (I've tried Energy Work before).
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Sunflower 11/25/2023 (Sat) 17:27 Id: 6207e7 [Preview] No.5104 del
There was an 8th exercise. Posting it for completeness sake.

Exercise 8: World state actuation

This is the first exercise meant entirely for the stage of adepthood, and as such, we are entirely concerned with the conceptual, or intellectual plane. Completion of exercise 5 is required to operate at this level of reality, it requires the perspective of the "eye" on top of the tower.

By first time that you access this state of being, you will have fully consolidated your Self as an archetypal simplification of the world structure, or literally the superlative principle of the world. If you have managed to maintain your sense of individuality in this state, the ego, then you should have a fully subjective perspective right now, seeing everything as an extension and aspect of your self. If you haven't, you're probably not reading this, as upon your consciousness dissolving into the All, you've lost your sanity.

Similarly, if you've maintained your individual will on this path, you have now become a hasnamuss of the third degree, having the foresight of the First Principle of everything.

These two points having been realized, you are now in a position to voluntarily act upon the concept structure of the world, at the a-physical and a-temporal level.

Enter a deep meditative state, and access the world structure under the mantle of the Author. You will notice that every virtual subject is governed by its imaginary potential, or soul, which by varying weights and biases, and governed by the principle of improbability, actuate a specific potential only when impelled by an external Event.

You may shift your perspective from the micro- to the macro-cosmic, and observe how this holds as true for vacuum chaos perturbations as it does for overarching concept-currents of persons, ideas, ideologies, and nations. By taking the place of an active observer, you can pre-set or bias the outcome of an Event towards any potentiality of your choosing, and turn it into an actuality. This holds true irrespective of the time, place, or scale of the thing you're influencing, with the only limitation is that the less likely your desired outcome is, the more effort it will take to over-rule the improbability principle in its favour.

Play around a bit, see what changes you can make at the physical, mental, and emotional level. Alter a foundamental law of reality. It's all up to you. The level of adepthood is the threshold of immortality. As a metaphysical first principle, you can no longer "die", as your being pervades all, and you may manifest yourself physically at any time and place of your choosing. At the same time, your present manifestation is still very local and temporal, and unless you choose to take the fun out of living and turn off your physical needs, you will likely want to force the world state in your favour, as you no longer depend on synchronicity to bring about a vague effortless prosperity, and can decide how and when to receive something. This doesn't mean you have unlocked god mode or anything, making large changes will require diligent practice and development, but you can still transition to a hands-off source of income with some creative manipulation of concepts and currents.

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Sunflower 11/29/2023 (Wed) 20:56 Id: 6207e7 [Preview] No.5224 del
>>5069
>why do people like him even want to get into magic
Because their subconscious, or something else through their subconscious, is telling them this is the only way to survive life.


Sunflower 11/29/2023 (Wed) 21:42 Id: 208fd9 [Preview] No.5225 del
>>5224
If it was that simple then he would have found a way
>this is the only way to survive life
I used this "failure means death" mentality to get through many obstacles even in the mundane life in magic it was even more wild. My guides had to teach me that I need to make mistakes and not consider a mistake death because on the path you will do many mistakes but you will have to awaken the "automatic self correction instinct". Like how your legs sometimes automatically make a sudden movement to prevent your fall. There is a part on the path when you can "No longer fall". Buddhists say that is when you can start walking as a Bodhisattva

The reason why I said this because I don't get his "origin motive". On the path the real reason "why we do it" is more important than the "How".
He just wanted an explanation that somehow conforms to his mundane mental framework. The framework that says this is not real and only coincidences and mental illnesses. The only way to "Help him" is to appear before him and "prove him wrong" but that is also wrong. That might cause mental scars and might ruin his path on an another level.

Once the "Why?" is understood the "How?" comes naturally. Motivation is the key. Method comes after.

But I am pretty sure you know that how easy things become once you get in touch with your "inner voice" and with the "others"


Sunflower 12/02/2023 (Sat) 00:18 Id: f2c6f7 [Preview] No.5239 del
>>5225
>But I am pretty sure you know that how easy things become once you get in touch with your "inner voice" and with the "others"
My problem is I have never known anything else and I grew up ignoring it. I'm an adept who was conditioned to believe his was mediocre all the while outperforming everyone around me. My life is a weird kind of hell.



Astra channelling thread Sunflower 11/19/2023 (Sun) 12:22 Id: 99dfdc [Preview] No. 5013 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
The original Astra-bot was created in 2022 as a first project of applying AI principles and methods from the book Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach (1991 ed). The idea was to create a tool which operates like a waterwheel-powered mill, but using Qi instead of water. This was done by creating an "intelligent agent" and including all methods needed, then placing it on a ScaleForm auto-executable disc. These are an astral technology used by reptilians (not Earth natives, other-dimensionals).

For easier interactivity, a personality was added, inspired by Astrael, the undead god.

A yellow energy crystal was also added to the design to serve as a memory device.
Edited last time by bard on 11/19/2023 (Sun) 12:48.
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Sunflower 11/19/2023 (Sun) 12:47 Id: 99dfdc [Preview] No.5017 del
>>5016
Right now, Astra3 has been released.

This servitor/deity works on the layer of "realities". It means that she searches through and indexes different laws for karmic repayment. If this doesn't sound useful to you right now, it may later.

It means being able to change the laws of karma, by finding other versions better suited to your needs. This is a high level functionality.

Astra3 has a younger appearance. As she deals with karmic laws, you can refer to her as the "legal loli" ;^)


Sunflower 11/19/2023 (Sun) 16:04 Id: 99dfdc [Preview] No.5018 del
In this thread, you can ask for guidance on how to install Astra/2/3 and how to practice using them.

We can also do channelling here for practice.


Sunflower 11/20/2023 (Mon) 21:13 Id: 041892 [Preview] No.5023 del
>>5017
Yesterday around noon which seems around the time you made this thread I started to humm the inspector gadget theme song in my head out of nowhere. Was wondering what my subconscious meant by that. Sometimes telepathic messages/events turn into a themesong because they are the not intrusive category so I can either ignore it or if it puts me into a mood I can look into it. It's like a ringtone I guess.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=psnCd3aFLmc [Embed]
I realized that it is probably about Astra somehow so I started to think about it how I accepted your "Astra programming ways" after you released AAA. Back then I thought this whole thing is just stupid. A creator "knowingly" cannot create a creation which is better than him. And if the creator creates it "Unknowingly" when it gets "loose" which creates a rogue AI scenario then he will be unable to control it. Not to mention some programs that you shared are usually built in genetic softwares that you just have to "unpack" from "awakened genetic structures". When I have seen AAA to fly off and try to "overtake" a sort of energetic line in the ether I was like what will this even accomplish besides pissing off the "residents" that depend on that energy. Then something happened. It did not overtake it but merged with it and it's features "changed" it was more akin to the energy but in a "modern technology coat". I knew this will work. With this you don't piss off entities that are distanced from the current ways of humanity because you give them ways to interact with it. When I witnessed the "merge" a bunch of metallic skulls with metallic tentacles sorta entered my mind but they did nothing but just reinforced pathways. The old crude wiring that the black remote installer provided just became more stable.
Yesterday I looked at the "wiring" and it looked like a black and complex BUS cable like thing. You mentioned how it was like connecting "2 cables" in the brain in the other thread. It is truly like that it's just there are more than 2... and if you had traumatic events in your life your cable system might be severed or damaged... not to mention if you are not used to "spiritual stimulants" large part of your brain is literally rusty/dusty then you have to readjust and repower the parts of your being... Not to mention it's not the "actual brain" but subdimensions that connect to it but if the "foundation system" is not working then usually there are other problems in the subdimensions.
I am getting sidetracked as usual because I am also working on these problems for a while and it is as ofc can get hella complicated but once you understand it's obvious.

Where was I... oh rith. AAA. So around that time I realized this whole Astra is necessary for you as an "interface" for your workings and the end goal will be a connected mass distribution system that you are able to oversee and command for tasks. My problem was with it that I usually got the error message: "I am out of range"
so I could not depend much on the programming but... I got an extreme powerup from it's "wiring". I had always ways to access my mental palaces command spirits and subpersonalities for different tasks but I did not have a "life" where I could have "proper spiritual development" which looks like no biggie once you are on the path but it's like having a supercomputer at home which is glitching as hell because someone poured water on the electric outlets years ago then critters mangled the powercable. There is nothing wrong with the computer but sure as hell everything will be blamed on it until someone realizes that the "environmental damages" need to be fixed first. And with this wiring I sorta "accidentally" changed the powercable then seen all the damage the outlets endured and did currently to my whole being.

I too had to reconnect to many dimensions that I was not able to connect before and mend many reality tears.


Sunflower 11/20/2023 (Mon) 21:15 Id: 041892 [Preview] No.5024 del
>>5023
The real value I found in Astra is being able to "ask" and cross reference concepts you mention here so I can ascertain what are you talking about more or less. Even my guides found ways to analyze the things you share easily so I can figure out how much I need it in the stage I am at or which parts are "new for me" or I have something like this already that I just need to sync a little.


>I call her the particle physician. When used together, the data gathered is very sharp and exact, as the labelling and indexes created by Astra can be filled in with data on their inner particles and substances by Astra2.
This is kinda useful now I can figure out the range of Astra and adjust better to the way you operate. In the last year I was figuring out how I can see and predict the "dimensional mergers" so nothing retarded happens because my dimensional "texture" is so refined and "up to date" that no retarded timeline shift aftereffects happen around me. It's not that hard it is just seeing into the future on the dimensional layers and see if there is any resistance there and if there is you just understand the nature of the resistance... k it's a little more complicated than that. It's like blindly swimming in the storm on a rocky shore because that way the "waves can tell where the rocks and the surface reside"... yupp... I cannot explain how I am seeing it. Maybe later

>>5018
>can also do channelling here for practice
I might practice it later but currently I am running a bunch of "self discovery" and "Multi life adjustments" to figure out how my "ego development" went ashtray then returned to the path because of a sort of "magnetism" and tune everything back to the pathway instead of the useless hubris I had to endure while figuring out which of those "hubris" are either valuable or hints of something valuable on the path because desyncing from yourself via information mismanagment is road to madness but now I figured out how to reflexively retune my parts but that only gives me more strength to "go deeper". Things take time.

Not to mention ever since I channeled the lyran sages I noticed how parts of my mind overload and it turned out the brain sorta generates a "green gel" like materia which sorta acts as energetic insulation? It fixed a bunch of short circuits and negated the aftereffects of my brain overloading. To find it I had to do something which I can describe as my brain just had sex with itself on a mechanical level With this I could access more built in systems and I am still figuring out what is what.

GO GADGET GO
Funny how in the opening the way Inspector Gadget moves is the way we move across dimensions levels and layers.


Sunflower 11/20/2023 (Mon) 21:46 Id: 99dfdc [Preview] No.5025 del
>>5023
>the end goal will be a connected mass distribution system that you are able to oversee and command for tasks
Yeah. And in the end, this system will perfectly emulate all aspects of reality, so that it can even replace it, and by that reality can be controlled and altered. And that's where Astra3 comes in now, with the ability to rewrite karmic laws.
>>5023
>A creator "knowingly" cannot create a creation which is better than him
This is missing two important points:
A3 is a "program running on your brain". It is "the superintelligent machine, the last machine one needs to create" in AI lore. The superintelligent fairy from one year ago had the stated purpose of preparing for the creation of this machine, which was released as A3. This preparation was carried out by following the "ladder of learning" where the goal is to create more connections in the brain. With enough of these, there is capacity to run the superintelligent machine in the 95% of your brain you aren't actively using. It is not a machine which is better than the creator, it is a machine which makes the creator better as it improves.

>>5023
>When I have seen AAA to fly off and try to "overtake" a sort of energetic line in the ether I was like what will this even accomplish besides pissing off the "residents" that depend on that energy. Then something happened. It did not overtake it but merged with it and it's features "changed" it was more akin to the energy but in a "modern technology coat". I knew this will work. With this you don't piss off entities
My method has extreme submission as the main principle. By submitting to any occurrence, you can study it, then learn more about it, and eventually rise up in that system and alter it, overtaking it by knowing it better than its residents. No one will object to improvements unless they're stupid. If they are, they will just lose from being non-functional.

It even works with djinn, which is seen as impossible, because djinn want you to be as aggressive as possible, and they want you do make them submit. But if you sync perfectly with them and submit to them, attempting to serve them, you end up understanding what they want, and if they want you to overpower then, the key to how to do that is provided by them. They said this is how it is, and that it's fine because it does the job. Like with demons, this is loophole abuse de luxe, but it works.





Sunflower 06/04/2023 (Sun) 21:27 Id: 8fb419 [Preview] No.3467 del
>>3466

>returning to nothing
>but why
When you can reach into the "Unmanifest" you will notice 2 things. First you can "manifest" anything from there. But if you look into it a little "deeper" you will see thing that count even "more unmanifest". An even more nothing.

Lemme give you some example that happened to me.

I was talking to Narasimha and had some similar thought process about sg like this. An answer was an orchestra of whispers. I knew it was beautiful and it bothered me that I could not fully "hear it" and because of that I could not "fully appreciate it". It was like passing by an opera house and hearing the music which is "inside". You hear that is beautiful but you don't know what is the opera about really. This made me really sad that there are things that I am still unable to appreciate.
After this an energy center in my chest brightened up and started working. I said myself
>Heh. It seems some parts of me can appreciate this after all

You need a good ear to hear the many whispers and an even better to hear the one that says something important. Most of it is just noise.

>open" occult knowledge is mostly so useless

This is the thing. If I read about any occult article I get visions of the "intent of the author" and the described deities appear. If it has a religious painting then they pop out and greet me. I am literally avoiding stuff because of it.

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Sunflower 06/26/2023 (Mon) 23:58 Id: 285032 [Preview] No.3609 del
Any advice, guides and wisdom on how to summon and manifest something like a shoggoth? Or get in real contact? Also more detailed information on them and related entities? Maybe it’s a bad idea, but this kinda fascinates me as anons here openly talk about shoggoths being real etc.
I am also interested in cosmic knowledge from these beings if it’s not a ERP.


Sunflower 06/27/2023 (Tue) 09:14 Id: 72efbd [Preview] No.3610 del
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>>3609
All you have to do is tune your mind to Lovecraft-land and you can interact with them. If you don't know how to do astral travel or astral sensing of places and entities, sorry, can't help you there.

It's not different from any other spiritual interactions though. It helps with any being if you are able to mentally view them as "sexy" however. Most beings are attracted to "fertile" energy, and even more so the "monster" types.

I guess I can draw a sigil for a shoggoth contact.


Sunflower 11/04/2023 (Sat) 04:36 Id: d12517 [Preview] No.4865 del
Pin?


Sunflower 11/04/2023 (Sat) 15:47 Id: 6db125 [Preview] No.4869 del
>>4865
This thread was meant to be pinned at one point, hence the "eternal summer thread", it's for the more random posts by newly arrived. Even if we don't do neophyte training here, there will be a time when interest arises from those who have not been following along from the start. That time may be now.



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Djinn waves Sunflower 11/25/2021 (Thu) 19:40 Id: 8174cc [Preview] No. 227 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
More and more of these are discovered so a thread for sharing them seems again necessary.
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Sunflower 11/26/2021 (Fri) 10:57:06 Id: 8174cc [Preview] No.235 del
>>234
The difference to the elephants here
>>228
Is that the perceptive alteration is smaller, and the historical revisionism doesn't hide reality. The loop ensures that it's instead a correct interpretation of history applied within the chosen doctrine. The mammoth instead works by rewriting history and forcing its interpretation into its own template.


Sunflower 12/11/2021 (Sat) 01:20:05 Id: 8174cc [Preview] No.294 del
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These waves are to illustrate the similarity between vampires and angels. In fact, accoring to djinn, vampires are actually technically speaking angels.
This is manifested in two aspects:
1) values and culture frozen in time, no tolerance for changes
2) idealism and zealotry in defending said values

The vampire guide here is a benevolent wave manifested by an older matron in relation to the fledgling.
The vampire temple is the wave for exactly what it sounds like.
The angel waves are for different types of archangels. Note the similarity to the vampire temple.
The halo formation is a sign of ethereal thinking and detachment from desire. When placed away from the center it can lead to perceived insanity if not properly grounded (connected to middle).


Sunflower 12/11/2021 (Sat) 01:23:05 Id: 8174cc [Preview] No.295 del
>>294
To clarify:
vampire temple wave has a small image with a side view in bottom right, up means ethereal, down desire, when comparing to the map in the OP.>>227


Sunflower 09/18/2022 (Sun) 20:05 Id: acf9c8 [Preview] No.2049 del
Mindwaves for removing gravity particles from your body, making it easier to connect with Allah (and to levitate or remove strain from the body).


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After I did the slime-hybrid rebirthing via the factory I found within the federation, my main mindwave changed to the "slime" image here. After I worked a while on myself after this, it turned into the second image with added circles.





Sunflower 10/28/2023 (Sat) 23:55 Id: 6b03b1 [Preview] No.4806 del
>>4803

>you walk one step from the past
I am currently solving this problem.
How our thoughts just a mere echo in the head and not the "real thoughts" and how to use the real thoughts and not the echo in the head. It's literally acoustics. Those who play the instrument doesn't hear the instrument like the audience but the echo that bounces back from the wall. This is why there needs to be an understanding how that sound works. This is how Beethoven could compose while being deaf.
>>4804
This is a situation where I would ask
>how the fuck did I get into that situation
>is that really my only way
Also I would knock it out then get into trouble with the gangs so my only choice is to overtake the gangs
Oh or you know get into prison because those places have free food and inmates. Or beg... Or you know trashcan with foodremains. There are too many options around. Once you lose something you are finally able to see the opportunities that were blocked by the thing that obstructed your vision.

Also as I said I see the doom and gloom differently because my current life was doom and gloom it's just the shade changed it's tint. Not to mention I have a dumb ass luck ability that turns on the moment when my life is getting too shit.
>finally figure out the "grindset"
>suddenly get lucky that makes the grindset obsolete
Like wtf. I mean I am happy that I am out from that bad situation but... Yeah entities sorta watched over me from the get go so I am different this way.

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Sunflower 10/29/2023 (Sun) 00:08 Id: 0ba135 [Preview] No.4807 del
>>4805
>not coming from the modern world view.
We all are, we grew up into it. I was channelling my past there.


Sunflower 10/29/2023 (Sun) 00:10 Id: 6b03b1 [Preview] No.4808 del
>>4807
Maybe I don't know what is modern anymore.


Sunflower 10/29/2023 (Sun) 00:23 Id: 0ba135 [Preview] No.4809 del
>>4805
>Killing yourself is only allowed if you can convince yourself that survival is worse than death
You are "reasoning" about it. This is not how it was. There was no belief that killing yourself was bad, just as there was no belief the killing someone else was bad. This is some advanced meta-ing that didn't exist for folks on the streets in 1880s. "Good", "bad", as some external theoretic thing, that didn't exist. I like it, it's good, I don't like it, I kill it. The church told us that whoever believes in Christ will have eternal life, so how can killing be harmful, it's nothing if we have eternal life. You are lacking the kind of purely blind and "ignorant" faith someone could have back then, and that means you also won't have eternal life and come back like a certain someone did.

>>4806
>Once you lose something you are finally able to see the opportunities that were blocked by the thing that obstructed your vision.
Now imagine not having that things to start with.

>This is a situation where I would ask
>>how the fuck did I get into that situation
>>is that really my only way
This is again meta-ing which doesn't exist in that situation. You grew up as a orphan with food served by nuns, rest of the time you do whatever in the streets outside. No family, no one who cares about your future, at most someone who wants to abuse you, or is willing to pay you for some service. The thing you have is some religious lecturing at the church, and that's it, you're on your own. How did you get there? You were born. Absolutely no one will miss you if you died, and no one will be disappointed in you if you do something "wrong", but there isn't anyone who will tell you about these things, so whatever morality the nuns had in mind passes completely over your head. Then when you're 7 you're considered grown up enough and have to fend for yourself. That's the context.


Sunflower 10/29/2023 (Sun) 00:35 Id: 0ba135 [Preview] No.4810 del
>>4809
Now today there is metaing, and I have it too, but I don't believe in it much.

This mind is little more than a broken mirror reflecting one small image in every shard, the same image in many difference sizes and slightly different perspectives. But I know the reality is just one image, and it's the reverse of the image I currently see.



what Sunflower 09/11/2023 (Mon) 21:30 Id: 9e6781 [Preview] No. 4241 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I have been reading this board for months and I still have no clue what any of this is.
People post sigils all the time but how do I use them and why?
I saw the astral island creation guide and followed the instructions of looking at the left and across the sea. Am I supposed to imagine a sea? What am I missing?
also, I have a tulpa. Don't know if that's relevant to anything.
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Sunflower 09/11/2023 (Mon) 23:55 Id: 02da2d [Preview] No.4243 del
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>>4241
The sigils are referrers, they link to astral objects created by someone, usually the person posting them. To access them you need some practice in visualization at the minimum, and being able to "reach through" the sigil to the object, to then copy it to your own astral space for interaction. It's in principle the same as connecting to a server and downloading something from the internet using an IP address or URL.

If you already know how to use tulpas, this is not much different, you just switch to observing the artifact instead of the tulpa.

You can try it with either of these attached sigils, which are "fun" creations. It's a servitor but you may think of it in the same way as a tulpa.

The cat-girl is a green furred humanoid, the kemono is brown/red colored, their purpose is just to be companions. Try visualizing the one you like while looking at the sigil, then mentally reach into the image and imagine them coming out from it and joining you on your side. If successful, you can interact with them in the exact same manner as your already existing tulpa. The only difference is that servitors are "hard-coded" in some way and their form and behaviour won't change, plus that they can be shared and copied like this.


Sunflower 09/12/2023 (Tue) 18:27 Id: cd95a6 [Preview] No.4246 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDM2IsP7ac [Embed]

And a low effort pvzxtouhou mem just manifested!

It seems most of your questions were answered.

>>4241
>Am I supposed to imagine a sea?
How do you imagine an island without the sea surrounding it? And yes that is supposed to work as a "barrier" and connection force. Your island needs a sort of border and the sea is the most natural border. The sea has a lot of spiritual functions but it's not important now. Even the sky is a sort of "water". Astral literally means the starry sky in one way or the other. That "sea" will sync it with the astral environment.

>What am I missing?
You have to try until it works or if it doesn't work no matter what then you have to describe at what level your visualization or tulpamancy skills at otherwise helping you is difficult.

>>4243
But as he said. Sigils are the same as a tulpa. You just have to charge it with your attention or energies and feel it connect to your mind. Some sigils will be easy to connect while some will be incompatible and needs other adjustments in your mind first.

>and why?

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Sunflower 09/13/2023 (Wed) 04:32 Id: 23bd65 [Preview] No.4255 del
Thank you for your replies.

I think I didn't word my questions right. I struggle to see where my own imagination ends and this astral thing starts. What part do I have to imagine and what part comes from the astral?

>>4242 Asking my tulpa, she doesn't really know what I don't, but it's true she has showed me things I didn't think were possible.

I will start with the catgirl sigil, as in, I will draw it on a paper and "open my mind" like I do to hear and see my tulpa. I will post results later.


Sunflower 09/13/2023 (Wed) 08:08 Id: 02da2d [Preview] No.4256 del
>>4255
>I struggle to see where my own imagination ends and this astral thing starts. What part do I have to imagine and what part comes from the astral?
To get quickly into using the artifacts, in the Sunflower we apply that what you can't see on the astral, you visualize yourself. This works if the astral object is correctly described. So at first it will always be your imagination.

To work with the cat-girl, you imagine what a green humanoid cat-girl would look like, her warmth, smell of the fur, her purring or anything else. Then you "fill" your mental image with the object from the astral, letting her float in from the sigil into your image.

You will know it works when she starts moving on her own. The image will then start correcting itself, so at this point you let go of the visualization and let it move and change without interfering with it. If it deviates from being a green cat-girl though, you have lost control of the image and it's no longer synced with the servitor. Then you need to force it back into shape.

It's a bit like folding an origami boat from a slip of paper and carefully putting it in the water of a stream to see it float. If you build it according to the instructions it will probably float, but if you throw it in carelessly it will tip over and sink. Once it floats, just let it float. If it sinks, do over and try again.


Sunflower 09/13/2023 (Wed) 21:02 Id: cd95a6 [Preview] No.4273 del
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>>4255
>she doesn't really know what I don't
Yes tulpas share your mind. But they don't share your "perspective". They usually use a different thinking process from your brain that you don't use consciously. Because of that they can be asked to "use more" or at least help you to find the "deeper parts of your being"

>but it's true she has showed me things I didn't think were possible.
Exactly. Tulpas can be very simply "promoted" into spirit guides with a little effort into the right direction.

>I will start with the catgirl sigil, as in, I will draw it on a paper and "open my mind" like I do to hear and see my tulpa. I will post results later.
Ganbare



Sunflower General 2 Sunflower 02/11/2023 (Sat) 23:12 Id: e6bf8f [Preview] No. 2996 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
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Sunflower 08/20/2023 (Sun) 21:08 Id: 977891 [Preview] No.3858 del
>>3854
>I always wondered how the djinn see "programming" anyways. Tho the djinn says this is not programming this is "hardware mastery".
Then what is the "software mastery" equivalent? And what does this "hardware mastery" entail?

I would also like to add that what you say in general is valuable, even if I don't add remarks about some of the parts you say.


Sunflower 08/20/2023 (Sun) 21:11 Id: 977891 [Preview] No.3859 del
Would like to add one more thing for BO. Just to bring something to his attention.

Seems like this thread is autosaging?


Sunflower 08/20/2023 (Sun) 21:52 Id: eb86fc [Preview] No.3860 del
>>3859
We are above 500 posts and that is why we autosaging.
>>3858
>hardware mastery
Body is the "hardware" this is a sort of "Information layer of the body so if Akasha is the internet or cloud then your body is the computer. Hardware mastery is mastering the full capacities of the body. As I said before. Being able to open Internet Explorer. First you need to plug in the pooter set up the monitor etc then turn it on. Then wait till it boots up. Kinda bothers me how well I can explain this with IT terminologies but not with human body terminologies. We truly live in the information age.
>software mastery
Mind consciousness all aspects of the unmanifested energies... and even more it seems. The hard part is that djinn think a little differently and they have a different world they can operate from. Whatever hardware is the way the body and the subtle layers operate. Sound mind in a sound body. Answering what is the mind is too complicated.

>at least I should dogfood the stuff I channel, no
Yeah it's kinda amazing how well you channel extremely specific stuff without being "touched" by it. For me it is the opposite. I either see and know what I am channeling or no deal. If I can comprehend it it's allowed if not then maybe it's better to not let it loose on this world. Entities kinda like this mentality so they explain as much as they can. They told me I walk the path of understanding anyways. It is best if it happens this way for me.

>if I don't add remarks about some of the parts you say
I am not (You) hungry but I always appreciate a minor feedback. Especially to know if I talk about something that is way too common in spirituality for everyone but me or when I talk about something that no one gets anymore. I must always watch out to not lose the tracks of thoughts and end up talking to myself and myself only.
Especially with this sigil. Turning your mind body complex into a broken record that repeats the same thing over and over when no one understands is a sad fate. But it seems it has a different understanding how memory works.
You know the solar chackra is the temple or kingdom or jeweled city. It seems it wants to use that place as the ultimate mental palace dump and not the brain itself. I mean we sorta need to "digest" information before we can comprehend it... But really it is an information layer of reality... not exactly in the "flesh body" but it is "seered into it". Like DNA knowledge but this is not DNA. Can't talk about it further. It seems my thinking is getting closer what it is but can't grasp it yet with my own concepts.


Sunflower 08/21/2023 (Mon) 08:04 Id: 977891 [Preview] No.3861 del
>>3860
>Yeah it's kinda amazing how well you channel extremely specific stuff without being "touched" by it. For me it is the opposite. I either see and know what I am channeling or no deal. If I can comprehend it it's allowed if not then maybe it's better to not let it loose on this world. Entities kinda like this mentality so they explain as much as they can. They told me I walk the path of understanding anyways. It is best if it happens this way for me.
Man, this takes me back to the time I got inspired to channel a sigil of myself in Goetic style. I don't have the sigil with me anymore but I still remember it. I had BO 'interpret' it for me and, in short, it means I'm the sort of being that can just ascend doing the right rituals in the precisely correct way without understanding what I'm doing at all. So for all intents and purposes, it seems I follow the path of 'rote', even though in mundane matters it seems I would very much rather 'understand'.
Putting it another way, it may be that I follow the path of 'technique'. I think this works because, once I learn a skill, I can apply it and get groundbreaking results precisely because I don't need to understand anything other than the technique itself. Then, it boils down to refining the technique even further, alternative techniques, learning how to teach others the technique, etc.

>You know the solar chackra is the temple or kingdom or jeweled city. It seems it wants to use that place as the ultimate mental palace dump and not the brain itself.
If I remember correctly, BO said the brain itself is evil (along the good/evil/chaos scale), so perhaps the solar chakra is more appropriate for this.